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Subject: reader response
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003
Although my wife has never been a great fan of spanking,
she spent thirty years in the public schools classroom
and became increasingly aware that that the thoroughly
unpleasant was sometimes necessary. During the early
1990s she became so concerned with undisciplined students
and parents afraid to lay a hand on their children that
she began to instruct parents on how to spank. She advocated
a *layer cake* method.
The *layer cake* approach is the blending of two older
methods still commonly used by parents. One of the older
methods was to load a dialogue (or more commonly a lecture)
either before a serious spanking or after a less strenuous
exercise. The other method was to punctuate the dialogue
between parent and child (or lecture to the child) with spanks.
With the *layer cake* approach, the necessary preparation
and explanation are followed by sufficient spanking to
ensure the child's attention. Then, with the child either
repositioned so that he or she is standing at the parent's
knee or still in position, the parent reasons with the child.
The parent then spanks enough to make sure that he or she
has the child's undivided attention before pausing to reason
with the child once more. A little more talking is then
followed by a little more spanking.
My wife emphasized that all comments made by the parent
during the punishment should be POSITIVE, specifically
addressing the parent's faith in the child to fulfill the
parent's reasonable expectation, since the spanking addresses
the parent's displeasure with the child's past behavior (as
well as maintaining the child's undivided attention).
The reasoning is meant to provide balance in the child's mind
as the parent directs and amends the child's thinking process
from the past and into the future. Repetition, ritual, and
reinforcement are key components of *layer cake*. So the
lesson the parent desires to teach is not likely to have to
The *layer cake* method is not looking at the clock or
counting the number of smacks. It is not even about how hard.
It certainly is not a shortcut in discipline. Although the
parent should never unload his or her frustration upfront,
the spanking and pauses for discussion should proceed at a
pace with which the parent is comfortable and the child is
The planned pauses allow both the parent and child to reflect
on the disciplinary process. In particular, it permits the
parent to concentrate on one task at a time while gauging
*Layer cake* sessions involve two-way communication that is,
given the behavioral difficulties of the child, necessarily
directed by the parent. As with all matters of discipline,
the details should be crafted to fit the needs of both parent
and child under the circumstances. *Layer cake* sessions are
best suited to changing *attitudes* in children who have
acquired sufficient verbal skills to engage in dialogue rather
than punishing for more mundane misbehavior. It is certainly
not intended to be used as a consequence for inadvertent
The alternating pattern of reinforcing *layers* spanking and
dialogue continues until the parent is absolutely sure that
the child has *gotten the message*. Then, the parent finishes
the session with sufficient spanking to bring the child to a
full flow of cleansing tears and repentance. Of course, it
goes without saying that, unreserved reconciliation follows.
While the *layer cake* method comes with no guarantee, and
results may vary, the mother of a pugnacious ten-year-old
confided to my wife that it was the most behavior-changing
experience she had ever witnessed in her daughter! No parent
to whom she suggested the technique ever told her that his
or her child failed to respond appropriately to the application.
More interestingly, no child ever reported that they had been
victims of *abuse*.
My wife has also recommended a variation for parents who,
like her, preferred not to spank. In this version, the child
is placed in a corner or other timeout circumstance for some
fraction of a half hour. Every five minutes or so, the parent
summons the child for a discussion on expectations for their
future behavior before returning them to consider the future.
My own theory on spanking is that, when properly used, it
buys the parents time when they (especially in the case of a
younger child), or along with the child in the case of an older
child, have failed to sufficiently monitor the child's behavior.
While the amount may differ from child to child, I further
believe that children will only take so much spanking before
it becomes ineffective or even counterproductive. Thus, when
used, it must be effective.
With our own offspring I discovered that even older children
are not always totally averse to being spanked if things are
beginning to spin out of control in their life. Nor are they
necessarily disingenuous when faced with the prospects if the
practice has not been abused. They likewise realize it is
more effective than haranguing.
After several years of hiatus, during which she was remarkable
obedient before experiencing some behavioral challenges, our
youngest submitted to her parents during her senior year in
high school. At the time, she volunteered that "something" had
to be done to turn her around. That "something" she had realized,
even before her parents reached a similar conclusion, was a
(in another mail, Wed, 7 May 2003)
The *layer cake* method may not be for everyone. Rather it is
more suitable for significant *attitude adjustments* that need
to be implemented before things in the child's life get so far
out of hand that there is no turning back. Also, remember, that
*layer cake* was originally intended for those parents who were
reluctant to decisively spank an out of hand children for whom
the ritual of a memorable spanking was either an all too rare
or, more frequently, a non-event in their lives.
Some parents may not be anymore comfortable with *layer cake*
than others are with spanking and may, for legitimate reasons,
prefer alternative disciplinary strategies and consequences.
*Layer cake* is a means to an end rather than an end within
itself. It is, by no means, certainly not the only means to
the same end. As with any disciplinary strategy, no parent
should continue to use the *layer cake* method if they find
that it does not improve things in their situation. Good
parenting is about sincerity and *layer cake* is no exception.
The reason for the repetition is, even "if everything has
already been said in the first one or two iterations," to
reinforce what has already been said and to make sure that
the child understands the message. Keep in mind that the goal
of *layer cake* sessions is for the parent and child to come
to a clear understanding. While most parents suspect
otherwise, some parents believe that they can accomplish
this goal better without an occasional firm spanking.
Reinforcement in dialogue serves the same purpose as, for
example, the rule of thumb method of spanking as much after
the child begins to cry lustily as was necessary to bring
the child to a full flow of tears, or promising a child a
minimum number of licks or timeframe in which smacks will
be delivered. It is simply an attempt to make sure that
the message gets through the first time.
Much the same thing happens in *layer cake* as takes place
in a functional education process where repetition and
refreshers are common. Just teaching something once and
signing off on it, as if that insures that the student has
learned it, is seldom enough to guarantee mastery of the
material. Many children's stories that evolved from folk
traditions, and that children still love, involve repetition.
It is a time tested teaching tool that has its uses when the
time comes the parent to enforce sanctions for undesirable
*Layer cake* does for consequences what a laser does to light
in that it collimates the rays and prevents them from scattering.
The necessity for positive dialogue also keeps the parent's
mind focused on the real reason for the spanking, as a means
of improving attitude and behavior, rather than as a venting
of parental irritation and disappointment. It also serves
to prevent verbal abuse that is often more harmful than the
physical variety and certainly causes more lasting harm than
The positive reinforcement element in *layer cake* is likewise
similar to what competent traffic enforcement officers do when
writing a ticket. Only a rookie chews out the speeding driver
and writes a ticket. Experienced officers do one or the other,
either issuing a warning or a ticket, but not both for the
Positive reinforcement should be consistent with what the
parent and child have already discussed during the preceding
days or weeks rather than an attempt to sugarcoat the spanking.
Children understand, sometimes better than parents who have
been indoctrinated to the contrary by experts, that spankings
are supposed to hurt! Most certainly any dialogue should
never be an apology for what has become obviously necessary
to all concerned. That sends a mixed message sufficient to
undermine the experience in the child's mind.
However, the dialogue may include reminders of previous
promises to improve or correct deficiencies in deportment.
It may also included expectations for behavior such as, "I
know that you can do better and you know it, too, don't you?"
Then wait for an answer. "You are much better than your recent
behavior is telling the world that you are; isn't it?" Again,
wait for an answer. "Way down, deep inside, you really are
a good kid; aren't you?" After an answer, continue, "You
know, I would not trade you for any child in the whole wide
world. You are mine and I am keeping you.
"Even now, I love you more than you know at this moment.
You really are a good kid. I am never letting you go. But,
we are here because we are not going to let the way you have
acted get in the way of who you are and what you can become!
You really are bunches and bunches better than you have
behaved recently. Why just the other day your grandmother
[teacher, whoever, or I] was saying [praise, praise, praise]
. . . ."
Any specific wording should come from the depth of the
parent's soul with the best interest of the child in mind.
However, the parent should not be phony or lie. Kids hate
Global examples of positive dialogue are difficult to present
because a rambunctious 6-year-old boy with repeated behavioral
difficulties at grandmother's house or at school is going to
have different needs and cerebral capabilities than a
14-year-old girl who has just alluded to, for the third time
despite previous warnings, the prevalence of hell-bound
canines in her mother's family tree.
To be avoided at all costs are guaranteed child-killers and
spirit-breakers such as, "You are just like you father [or
mother]; how could you be so stupid?" or "Why can't you be
like your sister [or older brother, cousin, etc.]; she [or
he]ís so perfect; why can't you be just like her [him], uh;
tell me that; why?" (There should be a special place, sitting
on very hot coals through all eternity, reserved for adults
who mess with the basic self-respect of a child by blaming
him or her, especially for things over which they have no
control, on top of heaping on them excessively humiliating
or cruel punishment.)
Also to be avoided are open-ended questions for which no
real answer may exist. These may include, "Why do you
behave like that?" Often, the child has no idea. Hence,
the dialogue should be steered in the direction of what
the child knows about him or herself rather than heading
down some dead end from which the parent has to clumsily
back out under already trying circumstances. In general,
the dialogue is intended to benefit the child rather than
to enlighten the parent.
Nevertheless, while the dialogue may begin quite simplistically,
at some point during a *layer cake* session, the child may
really open up. In the anguish of the moment, beyond the
usual excuses and promises, things that they have never
discussed before may come tumbling out. While it may be
something that neither parent nor child knew was really a
problem, it might open doors into understanding the child's
For example, the 6-year-old above may be bored in school or
wish grandma would watch something other than old black and
white reruns the TV Land channel. The 14-year-old above may
still be angry over her parents' acrimonious divorce, or she
may just be sharpening her verbal claws on a handy family
Every child wants to believe that, despite the common lapses
in decorum, he or she is good. That a child has basic worth
and dignity should be reinforced whenever possible by the
parent. Those opportunities should not be limited to only
those times when things are going well or when the child has
made the parent look good. Like hugs, positive reinforcement
should be given even when things need to be turned around in
the child's life.
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003
Spank with love:
I think my husband, J(...), emailed
you all a couple of months back to give you all a thumbs up on
your website. I myself would like to echo that. It has been a
valuable tool for us in trying to correctly discipline our three
You know, there is no more valuable possession on the face of
the earth than our children. And there is no greater responsibility
than to train up our children to be men and women of integrity
and character. How can this be possible without discipline and
Let me say that I had the wonderful blessing of growing up in
a very godly home. My mom and dad were wonderful Christian people.
They were the most loving parents you will ever meet. There was
never a day in my life from birth to age eighteen when I left
home for college that they did not hug me and tell me they loved
me. I never doubted for even a brief moment that I was loved and
valued. I know my sister and brother would tell you the same thing.
Let me add to that, though, that while I grew up in a very loving
home, there was no absence of discipline. There were certain
behaviors that were not tolerated such as disrespect to parents,
disobedience, or dishonesty. Let me also add that I know all to
well what a good old fashion spanking is like.
When a spanking would occur, the procedure was always the same.
My mother would take me by the hand, we would go to the master
bedroom. She would then sit down on the edge of mom and dad's
bed and briefly tell me why I was about to be punished. Then she
would ask me to lye down across her lap. Once she secured me in
position, she would pull down my pants then push up my shirt so
there would be absolutely no cushion protecting my bottom. Then
the licks would begin. By about the second lick, I was crying
like a baby. She would not give that many- usually 5-7 never
more than ten. But boy did they make an impression!! Afterwards
she would let me pout for about 3-4 more minutes. Then she would
hug me, tell me she loved me, and that was the end of that. As
painful and unpleasant as the spankings were, I never doubted
for a second that I was loved.
Within the last couple of years, two of our three children have
gotten to the age where spanking has become occasionally necessary.
I duplicate very closely the same procedure my mother used on us.
Most of the time I am the one that gives them since I am around
them much more than J(...) and he
usually gives me the responsibility of doing it even when he is
around. I have spanked our seven year old, and our six year old
each four times. To be honest with you, I doubt I will ever have
to do it again. Whenever their behavior gets just a little out of
line, all I have to do is threaten them with a trip to the bedroom
and they straighten up almost instantaneoulsy. J(...)
and I have almost perfect control over them.
There are probably a few parents out there who have never once
spanked their child, and their child still turned out wonderful.
All I know to say is "more power to them." That is not the norm,
however. We must remember that children are born with an innate
nature to challenge authority and rebell. It is our responsibility
as parents to break that tendency. Sometimes inflicting a certain
amount of physical pain on the bottom is the only method strong
enough to do it.
I would like to make a few comments to the anti-spanking crusaders
out there as well. Take a reality check!! Do you all actually
think that giving a rebelling youngster a spanking out of love
will cause long term violence and aggression in him (her)? By no
means! If anything at all, it will prevent long term aggression
and violence. History itself proves that. After all, how many
school shootings were there twenty years ago and more. Why is it
that in recent years when spanking and other old fashioned discipline
techniques have been suddenly abandoned by many parents, there
are so many middle and high schools that check students in with
metal detectors every morning. This was a practice that was
inconceivable even just fifteen years ago. Do you realize that
back in the fifties and sixties, a day and age when spankings
were far more prevalent, the worst problem in schools was chewing
gum in class?
As to the argument that spanking does not really curb misbehavior,
all I can say is "hogwash". If you're a parent that has not gotten
results from a spanking, let me say that you probably have not
done it thoroughly enough. A mild swat or two on a leg or clothed
bottom of course will not curb ill behavior. A hard spanking on a
naked bottom across a parent's lap, on the other hand, will make
the most strong willed child compliant. I mean think about it,
would the threat of getting your bottom completely bared and briskly
smacked ten times be a big enough deterrant to keep you from acting
up?!! You are a very unusual person if it wouldn't.
It seems to me that it is much better for children to learn the
hard lessons in life from the hands of a loving parent than from
a juvenile correction officer some day. Let's face it, that juvenile
correction officer does not love you near as much as your mother.
Well, I am sorry to ramble so long. I just have too much to say on
the subject. Thanks again for this fantastic website, and keep up
the good work.
Subject: I have a question
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003
Hello. I'm fourteen and live with my aunt and uncle.
This is real strange but sometimes I find myself getting
into trouble just to get a spanking. Most girls my age
wouldn't think of such a thing and I think I'm crazy for
even think it. I read somewhere that this is called
testing the limits with parents. My aunt and uncle have
never given me a spanking, but he is always telling me he
will if I don't do right. A few nights ago I lied to him
and got grounded. He said the same thing again that the
next time he would give me a spanking. I got up the
courage to ask him how and he said that he would probably
make me bare and use his belt. When I asked him why bare
he said that it just wasn't the spanking alone, but a
good dose of shame to make me think twice the next time.
My problem is that something inside of me says that spankings
are the only thing that will help me to do right, it says
so in the Bible in Proverbs, but I'm scared at the same time.
How can I talk to my aunt and uncle about this? Or should
I just do something really bad? Am I crazy for thinking
Subject: Re: a concerned reader
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003
Whilst I found 'Spanking with love' most interesting, I did
feel that many of your readers would be drawn by the
salacious/fetish aspect of spanking, and it is these people
(men mostly) that greatly concern me if they have acess to
impressionable children/step-children. If parental spanking
really is LOVINGLY administered and the parent DOES NOT
relish/enjoy the administering for personal pleasure in anyway,
shape or form, then I would have to (albeit reluctantly)
concede that we all have our own life agendas and credos as
to how best to raise kids - we can agree to disagree here.
My only concern in all this is for innocent children. Whilst
my own kids had the occasional spontaneous smack on the leg
(even this I regret) there was never the ritualistic discipline
that your site seems to champion. I saw enough traditional
discipline at school (fully endorsed by British Govt/legal
system/police) to be totally against any kind of formal,
ritualised spanking/caning. The brutal education system I
went through left me deeply confused by many things, but also
with a relief that the breathless fear and panic of physical
punishment in schools and (most) homes is now consigned to history.
I think I would be most convinced by your sites pro-spanking
position if a GENUINE child (not an adult pretending to be a
child) actually wrote on your site about how THEY feel about
being ritualistically beaten by parents, as opposed to how
the parents think the child feels - big difference. I sense
parent perspective is rather based on time-warped childhood
experiences of decades ago and is therefore not compelling).
I rather suspect that despite hugs and caring words following
discipline that REAL kids who are humiliatingly stripped naked
in front of their 'loving' fathers before punishment would
far rather be grounded like all their mates. I am happy for
any of your readers to supply reading that would contradict
Sorry to sound so negative about something your site so
obviously endorses and encourage. My big watchword which I
would tend to emblazon in massive letters across your site is:
If you relish, enjoy, or even look forward to administering
punishment then you should NOT be smacking children.
All your readers should be really honest with themselves and
ask this simple question.
I look forward to any thought you or your readership may have!
Subject: The Formation of Self Discipline for Life
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003
I went to a very strict school in the UK and of all subjects
it was in P.E. that the most discipline was used. Perhaps
because the head teacher believed that this subject more
than any other would provide us with the self discipline
we would need during our later adult life. Although I did
not appreciate it at the time, this was indeed the case.
The gymnastic class was very regulated and we had to form
perfect straight lines and march with absolute precision.
A Mr. H would make us form 4 groups of 5 boys always standing
to attention and in always in total silence. When Mr. H felt
we were ready, we had to march to a set of gym equipment and
stand by this equipment until ordered to use it. After 12
minutes we would be told to stand by the equipment and to
attention, and would then march with precison to the next
set of equipment. Eventually, everyone toured 4 sets of gym
equipment and the supervision required was minimal since even
the most unruly pupils soon learned to do exactly as they
In the first year and aged only 11, we were all warned not
to misuse the gym equipment and we were informed of the
punishment. However, 6 months later I did misuse the gym
equipment. Mr. H informed the class of what he had seen me
doing and what my punishment would be. I had to bend over
and touch my toes while Mr. H took the gym rope and gave me
4 strokes with it across my thinly clad backside. We were
only allowed to wear thin cotten shorts since it was a school
rule that we had to strip completely prior to PE and don
the very minimum of clothes.
The pain of the rope across my buttocks was excruciating and
made me cry intensely in front of the whole class. When the
class was over my very bruised and marked buttocks provided
a warning to the other boys in the changing room of what they
would receive for breaking the rules. Everyone learned a
lesson from my punishment, and the marks were seen prior to
the next 3 gym classes as a continued warning to all. I was
told that if I did this again it would be 6 very severe
strokes of the rattan cane from the headteacher with PE
shorts slipped down to my knees but fortunately a proper
caning did not prove necessary for me or anyone else.
The threat of this punishment for the gymnastic class enabled
all the boys to follow the rules of the gymnasium until 16
or 17 and everyone had a safe time with no accidents. I
explained to my Mother a few days before I left school about
the strict gymnasium discipline we had encountered over the
years. She simply said it was good training for life and
that she was pleased with the PE teacher for his gymnastic
classes and the punishment I had been given during the 1st
year. My mother told me if I did this again she hoped I would
be severely caned and that at 17 I was not too old to benefit
from a proper caning even if it had to be given on my last day.
I recently made contact with Mr. H through "friendsreunited"
and thanked him for his PE lessons and the punishments which
had installed the essentials of self discipline in us, not
just for his gymnastic class but also for our future. He did
not remember this one particular incident but thanked me for
complimenting him on his gymnastic classes and the benefits
it provided us with.
Subject: thank you
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003
I am a 15 year old boy living in England. I stumbled upon
your site sometime last year. before this I was never
punished at home and my parents were very permissive and
I was losing out on it I would do something and my parents
would let it slide this was leaving me with guilty feelings
I then stumbled across the getting parents to spank me area
of the site which I read but never plucked up the guts to
talk to my parents about it however hat changed when after
I was caught shoplifting my parents as usual told me off and
let it slide, I then realised that my behaviour wasn't good
and was unacceptable and that I needed some help to turn me
around and help me get over he guilt I then went and talked
to one of my moms friends who I know spanked her teenage
children and told her about my dilemma.
she agreed to talk
to my parents. she also took me over her lap there and then
for a short spanking as she could tell that I needed something
to at least start to get over he guilty feelings inside.
she then took me home and had a long talk with my parents and we
discussed the subject further. they agreed to start spanking
me (I have no sexual interest in spanking which was suggested
to me a few times) my mothers friend had brought a hairbrush
with her there and then and my mom and her friend decided to
try it out on me. it consisted of about 50 good hard spanks
then 10 minutes stood in the corner she then hugged me and
told me I was forgiven.
though I hated the spanking and the
fire in my bottom I was glad that I was finally getting what
I needed. since then I have gone from getting one or two
handspankings a week and about one dose of the hairbrush a
month to about one spanking a month and hardly ever feeling
the hairbrush back. my performance in school has improved and
I feel a lot less guilty.
I would just like to thank you for making a site and a section
on this topic.
Subject: i was spanked and it works
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003
just because you're spanked doesn't mean that you'll
turn out to be a rotten person it just means that you
were naughty, you broke a rule and you got spanked for
it. once i got spanked for fighting with my brothers
and i learned that i should fight and i should respect
others. a bare bottom spanking will not kill you i mean
that sure it'll hurt more and there will be more redness
but you deserved it and you got what you deserved. i
was spanked on my bare bottom only three times, once
for running into the road,once for fighting and once
for trying a cigerette. it really does work and i never
tried any of those things again i learned my lesson and
i will spank my children when i have them. i am 17 years
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003
Thank-you for this informative web-site. I am a
well educated, successful professional who was
spanked, when necessary, as a child. As a father, I
also spank my own children when I feel it is in their
best interest. Spanking, when done correctly, is an
effective, loving, and acceptable disciplinary choice.
Spanking, when done in a fit of rage and anger,
by a loud and out of control parent, is harmful and
does nothing for correcting the behavior of an errant
child. I strongly feel that that type of spanking is,
without question, wrong! When making the decision as
to whether or not to spank my own precious children, I
employed a great deal of critical thought, concluding
that spanking itself isn't wrong, the way in which a
child is spanked can be very wrong.
When I spank, it is for clearly defined
behaviors; open defiance, doing something harmful to
themself or someone else, breaking agreed upon house
rules. My children know that I love them--above all
else, and when I spank them, it is merely another
expression of that love, unpleasant, but necessary.
A spanking is always given privately, usually in
my bedroom. I spank my children with my hand, over my
knee, on a bare bottom. I don't spank hard, but I do
spank with determined resolve, and I spank long enough
that the child does not want another spanking. As for
spanking a child's bare bottom, I don't choose to have
my child undress his or her bottom to add humiliation
and embarassment to the punishment. To ask my child
to remove his/her pants and underware for the express
purpose of embarassment and humiliation would not be
right. I spank them on their bare bottom because I
feel it is the most effective way to spank. In fact, I
had to spank my fourteen year old son last week, for
the first time in almost three years. I asked him to
remove his jeans, but told him that he may leave his
briefs on, he gave me a puzzled look, and asked "why?"
I explained to him that because he was getting older,
he may be uncomfortable with having to remove his
briefs in front of me. He kind of snickered and
reminded me that we had both been in our hot tub,
stark naked, the night before! He then removed both
his jeans and his underware and placed himself over my
lap. I spanked him until he cried softly, but not
until he was sobbing, it just didn't seem necessary.
Even at fourteen, he still sat in my lap until long
after he had stopped crying.
I maintain a close and loving bond with my
children. Giving them a well deserved spanking, when
necessary, has enhanced our relationship, not hurt it.
I am open and honest with my children, about
everything, including spanking, and they have all (I
have three children--a son, 14--a daughter, 10--and a
son, 8) expressed an acceptance of being spanked when
I feel it is needed. Until a week ago, I would have
believed my fourteen year old was too old for a bare
bottom spanking over my knee, but his reaction has
told me that it was the correct choice. He did, in
fact, in a discussion we had last night, tell me that
it is "cool" with him that I still spank him when he
needs it--he hates being spanked, but he understands
why it must be done. I am very proud of his mature,
articulate, and well thought out position. (However,
I do hope his days of finding himself over my lap for
a spanking are now a thing of the past) His
testosterone induced defiance of last week, met with
my fervent opposition, has deepened our bond and given
him, once again, the security of knowing that his
Father is still taking care of him, and he needn't
grow up too fast. I honestly don't believe that any
other form of discipline would have been as effective
as being placed over my knee and spanked, like the
child he still is, has been.
Considering all of the above, let me state that I
do not spank my children often, nor is it my only form
of discipline. I spank when a spanking is in order
and appropriate given the child's behavior. My oldest
son has received more spankings than his sister and
little brother combined--because he always tested my
resolve just to find his limits--and I haven't spanked
him more than a dozen times in his entire life.
Having to spank so infrequently is another form of
proof that spanking is an effective form of discipline
and that it has had a positive and constructive impact
on the development of my children.
Thanks again for this web-site, it has provided
the further affirmation that I need as my children
transition into adolesence and young adulthood.
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